JamesW
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Working on:: Painting all the Descent 2nd ed minis
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Post by JamesW on Apr 11, 2014 20:39:25 GMT
First off I would like to say that I'm not moaning here... it's just a subject that I find interesting because I notice a bit of an obsessive attitude in myself. I have been playing wargames for about 25 years now and have always painted my models before playing. This reached the point last year where I got two FOW armies, totalling 130 or so minis, and didn't play for two months because I couldn't bring myself to use them unpainted. This obsessive behaviour has spread into board games too and I try to paint all the board game pieces in games with nice models. I currently have painted half of the minis in the board game Descent and find myself almost averse to playing it until I'm finished. I am doing a campaign of it at the moment, and am playing the Overlord so get to pick which monsters inhabit which parts of the game. This means I find myself favouring the monster groups that I have finished painting rather than the ones which look most suited to the job. I wondered whether I am alone in feeling obsessive about this so I had a google on the subject and have discovered that it is a really controversial matter. There are people out there who refuse to play against unpainted models and clubs that have it in their rules that players can't field unpainted stuff. Luckily for me the club is providing some hardcore exposure therapy. Playing against Dom, Ed, Steven & Graeme I have come to cope with facing unpainted minis, proxies, cards with MZ written on for mindless zombies, and on one occasion a bare 50mm slotta base instead of an ice golem. My eye stopped twitching after a few hours and now I can manage to play without too much discomfort. Does anyone else experience this sort of obsessive compulsion? /rant
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Post by lord carver bmmd on Apr 11, 2014 22:18:22 GMT
HOLD UP !!!!! TONY HART, dont lump me in with the unpainted mini crowd, (not that there is any thing wrong with that) open my maulifaux gang on the wednesday stick together and play on the thursday, DON'T know anyone who can paint 5 mini's in there sleep LOL.... on the subject of unpainted armies, I dont really care if they are unpainted as we all have busy lives, jobs,and families. what my bug bear is ,is fiz rep ping eg; this bottle top with a bolt gun is a dreadnought kind of thing, now i know it would be nice to have every model you want, painted and on the table but at least try to remember that its also a treat for the eyes when both armies face each other across the battle field (table). And james maybe its time you stepped up to the army size collection instead of 6 mini's "I DARE YOU " LOL would like to face you over the warma/hordes tables ......this was also written with tongue in cheek see you soon for some more paper dolls stuck to 2p coins football carnage ..... Also these clubs/players that refuse to play unpainted model are they the same ones that dont wear deodrant, think all women walk about wearing bikini's with giant swords, and all these women are on the hunt to be saved by a middle aged bloke that spends most of there time painting toy soldier's just so they can look down there noses at other gamers with really lives. Who at the end of the day just want to move around the few toy soldiers that they have had the time to paint and a have a nights gaming with a group of people with the same mind set. I just think, "the you can only play if you have painted models" rule is for "DICKS" really, would so called club turn away a war veteran who had had his fingers blown off bcos his minis weren't painted ? " sorry m8 you cant game tonight as you can't hold a paint brush " WRITTEN with no malice just for kicks and giggles
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JamesW
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Working on:: Painting all the Descent 2nd ed minis
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Post by JamesW on Apr 12, 2014 7:14:33 GMT
Six minis is about my limit... This is why I love skirmish games; the time and money outlay is minimal. I am tempted by Warmahordes though. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy playing against any sort of team. I just feel compelled to paint my stuff before bringing it to the table.
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Post by Paul Waters on Apr 12, 2014 10:16:05 GMT
Interesting topic Personally I dont like playing with unpainted mini's but I dont have enough time to paint as much as I would like, so my army is currently about half done, as long as I am making progress(however slow) I can live with a half painted army. Gaming is still a minority participation hobby so I never want to be picky about oponents armies as sometimes it can be hard to find other players without adding further barriers! I dont mind proxying models in games but I do think that the model used should be similar. As an extenssion to this topic, what are people view on using models painted by someone else? This is something I would never choose to do as I would rather have my blood, sweat and tears on an average standard model I have done than a golden demon standard model someone else has painted, just dont think I would have a conection to the model. This is a battle I will have with myself soon as recently bought a second hand army where some is prepainted. It will be way down my priority painting list, so do I use them painted so they look ok and eventually get round to repainting them or should I just spray paint over and play with plain undercoated models until I get round to them(on my curent painting speed and availability about summer 2017).
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JamesW
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Working on:: Painting all the Descent 2nd ed minis
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Post by JamesW on Apr 12, 2014 12:18:47 GMT
Interesting point... I wouldn't like to play with my stuff painted by someone else. I don't mind borrowing armies from others for the odd game. For example when Dan showed me Dreadball I used one of his painted teams which was fine.
One thing I would never do is buy a painted mini. I see them on eBay sometimes but I wouldn't buy one. I like it when an army is all painted in the same way and to the same standard. I know my painting isn't the best but it makes me feel more attached to my minis.
I think the general rule is that I feel most satisfied when the game is sort of photo-worthy. I find it makes me feel more immersed in the game if that makes sense.
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Post by Ed on Apr 12, 2014 13:29:44 GMT
Aah, wargaming snobbery rears it's head once more! Personally I hate using unpainted models and have always tried to avoid it. Its been difficult recently as hobby time has been more limited and I've spent most of the time cleaning and assembling models for systems I've only recently started, just to be able to play and learn. Playing small skirmish games is also a lot easier to manage painting-wise than some of the larger scale games. Painting a 35SS Malifaux Crew of 6-8 figures compared to my 2400pt Skaven WFB army containing @200 models (which is fully painted BTW! )is an obvious contrast. There's also the difference in standards to consider, by that I mean skill level/ability and sometimes time/effort/care put in. I've been to my fair share of tournaments enforcing a fully painted policy and faced 'fully painted' armies that look like s***! Sometimes its a deadline rush-job, sometimes its ability, sometimes its a lack of care and often its hard to work out which of those camps your opponent is in! I take great pride in converting and painting my models and will often spend more time on a model/unit than others spend on an entire force! Not all aspects of the hobby are enjoyed or considered by all which leads nicely onto... The subject of armies painted by others. I don't have a problem with this and when someone who can't/won't paint for whatever reason is willing to pay for a nice looking army then thats fine with me. I'd rather face that than some of the monstrosities I've been subjected to in the past!! The thing that does bother me is proxying and WYSIWYG, don't get me wrong not all proxying is bad but it can lead to some extreme douchebaggery and I will leave this for another time... Anyway, those are my thoughts.
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Post by Paul Waters on Apr 12, 2014 13:46:03 GMT
I find it intesersting to see the concensus so far, no one seems to have any problem with what you their opponents painting choices are, but everyone seems to have their own set of principles that they choose to self impose.
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Post by graeme27uk on Apr 12, 2014 14:44:30 GMT
Hang on a minute... are we saying I cannot use my "bit of blue tack with a paper label" as a land-raider? Even if its a REALLY big bit of blue tack? But this was the basis of my 40k new space marine force.... I mean I even went to the trouble of blue tack for vehicles, white-tack for troops... don't want anyone to get confused after all. In the past I've seen all kinds of weird stuff so it's not uncommon. Transformer models being Dreadknights, "custom-built" clay models to represent tanks, very iffy wire-frame models... and then the "paint them quick brigade" whereby it's dunk the model into a paint pot and voila... it's painted what more do you want.
In fairness, I prefer to play with painted models where possible. Just if I only played with models that were painted then I think I would be able to field maybe three models..... between wife, kids, work, home-life and sleep, getting models painted is a slow process. Added to that getting the funds together to get all the models.... I could bankrupt the household but wife may complain (more.... ).
Painting is fun and part of the hobby to. It's enjoyable and relaxing but I'd rather take my time than rush just to get them on the table. Being able to play the game first off is more important I think.
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Post by benc on Apr 12, 2014 19:51:56 GMT
I think we have all played with unpainted minis and a proxy or two at some point. Maybe back in the black and white days of old. I wouldn't really get worked up about it in generally friendly / club games where I was trying a new unit or tactic. However, as someone said, it's a feast for the eyes too. On a nice table, with both sides going for it. It is a sight of beauty. But further to that, having a unit concealed amongst a massive pile of dice or charging over a resting rule book surely could be added to the list. As well as blue tack sculpted models, bottle caps and ex servicemen with missing digits
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Post by breccan on Apr 13, 2014 13:31:16 GMT
I always think that the key words here are "work in progress". It can take years to finish an army, especially if you like to put a lot of work into your painting, but as long as you show up with a bit more finished each time it's fine.
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Post by Lew - Drake on Apr 14, 2014 10:38:19 GMT
I would definetly say I am in the half unpainted army but I am shortly to have a lot of time on my hands and the plan is to get a lot of my cygnar finished so I can actually show up with a completed army for once then I just need to get the everybligh done at some point?
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Post by davidkhan on Apr 24, 2014 9:45:00 GMT
It's interesting the hate for proxys! How do people feel about my paper hammer tanks ! I guess that they are proxys lol
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Post by fatadam on Aug 25, 2014 19:34:53 GMT
I have to say joking aside I did find it enoying that my own models were not painted but also defining what models\units were Which but on the other hand I realise that it is hard to find the time to do it and so finally I have to point out the game comes before painting in my opinion
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Post by smee106 on Sept 2, 2014 10:34:35 GMT
Personally I don't have a problem with unpainted figs I do like to try and get mine painted, but I once worked out at my rate of painting it would take me till I was 127 to finish what I had, and have got more since then
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Post by danstrahleo on Sept 2, 2014 19:09:08 GMT
I've found over the past two years table top standard and speed painting systems are great and effective which is what I've been aspiring to hit. It is no golden deamon standard but looks cool I think if you have more painted
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