alxndrhll
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Post by alxndrhll on May 13, 2015 19:25:20 GMT
Short(?) introduction of myself, moved to the area about a year ago from Northampton. Following the move I found my interest in wargaming dwindle as those I had played with were about 3 hours drive away and slowly but surely dropped off from the hobby altogether. Now I'm a bit more settled I'm hoping to get back into it in some way, shape or form. Previously only really played 40k but found myself becoming more and more involved in the painting and modelling side of the hobby, and have began to be drawn in by the Warmachine miniatures. So hoping to start up along those lines, literally no idea where to start with it... But that's the fun of it... Right?!
Hoping to pop in, in the somewhat near future... And I'm sure I'll be frequent on here to siphon information from you lot and where the hell to start while venturing into a new game.
Thanks, Alex
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Hi All!
May 15, 2015 16:28:16 GMT
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Post by Paul Waters on May 15, 2015 16:28:16 GMT
Welcome aboard Alex, have you also found our Facebook group? Come down one Thursday and introduce yourself, we are a friendly bunch and have a good look at all the games available.
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alxndrhll
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Post by alxndrhll on May 15, 2015 18:48:57 GMT
I have indeed, have made a request to join just awaiting (hopefully) for that to eb accepted. Deep into trying to find my starting faction, Khador and Cryx are the 2 that appeal to me the most on looks alone. No idea whether I'm wise to go into it blind, or do some research to which will suit my playstyle better.
Thanks for the reply, look forward to meeting you all! Cheers, Alex
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Post by Paul Waters on May 15, 2015 20:13:31 GMT
I think its a balancing act, its no good choosing a faction that doesnt inspire you to paint it but then there is no point choosing one that you dont enjoy playing. Battlecollege is a good place to start reading about the different factions but dont take it as 100% acurate!
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alxndrhll
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Post by alxndrhll on May 15, 2015 20:43:43 GMT
Very true, back when I was regularly playing 40k I mainly played Nids and Chaos Nurgle. From all I've read this evening it leaves Cryx as a no brainer in terms of general playstyle (swarming) and the aesthetic... Trtuh be told the main thing tempting me into the Khador is Sorsha's sculpt, and the Widowmakers which are probably one of my favourite looking models I've ever seen. Granted there is nothing to stop me picking up the Khador models just to paint them up and leave them on the side for a later date.
Is there factor of 'faction crowding' at the club? Or is it a pretty even balance across the factions? I know it shouldn't really come into my own personal consideration, but I do tend to avoid playing the most common factions... Granted they tend to be the most common for a reason.
I bet you're all so bored of answering these sorts of questions from new player eh? Sorry.
Cheers, Alex
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Post by Paul Waters on May 16, 2015 5:30:31 GMT
Its never a problem, I have been back in the hobby for about 18 months now after about a 10 year break and if it wasnt for helpful people at the club it would have been much more difficult.
I think I have seen most factions at the club at some point across both Warmachine and Hordes, but I dont think anything is overplayed. We have a Pressganger for Privateer Press at the club who runs all of the Warmachine/Hordes events and he will be happy to help you find your footing in the game. I think he has a few of most factions so why not try a few demo games and see what feels the best fit.
Keep your eye on the club FB page as we are running Warmahordes and Xwing tournaments today at the club and Im sure there will be loads of pictures and battle reports appearing ver the next few day. If you have a spare few minutes feel free to pop in today a have a chat and look around. The players might not be as chatty as usual (timed turns tend to keep people focused!) but there will be enough of us around running the event to give you an overview of the club.
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alxndrhll
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Post by alxndrhll on May 16, 2015 13:29:23 GMT
Nice to hear nothing is overplayed, means I can remove that from any consideration I do. One last questions I have, you may or may not be able to answer it, but no harm in asking. From what I've been reading up on forums I'm somewhat confused on how varied 'competetive lists' are for the 2 factions I'm pondering between. Obvious the game has grown a lot over the years which obviously shifts the 'meta'. Have seen grumblings over a lack of 'creativity' the Cryx have, where no matter what list you take you pigeon holed into a purely rush forward and make an assasination path clear. Rinse and repeat from game to game wtihout much room for being creative inbetween. Whereas as Khador (strictly from what I've read) have a bit more 'room to move' on how you approach games.
I may well be looking into it far too much but no-one likes buying models that wind up collecting dust, rendering them a waste of hard earned money. And my biggest fear is winding going with Cryx, and having a very similar game irrelivant of the Caster and list I take. Meaning Khador are currently attracting most of my attention until I can either dispel this 'myth', or find out difintely that it's true pretty much removing Cryx from consideration because I want some room to grow with which ever faction I opt for.
It's hard to get my head around what is currently true', and 'what was true 2 years ago but isn't the case now'.
Promise that's it for questions, at least on this topic.
Cheers, Alex
P.s. Assuming you've gone today, hope you all have a great day. Unfortunately I'm busy packing for a week long residential in York with 80 horrible 10 year olds next week, so this weekend is spoken for.
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Post by Paul Waters on May 16, 2015 20:03:10 GMT
not sure I'm the best person to answer that question but will give someone who can a nudge
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Post by scionofchaos on May 16, 2015 20:29:32 GMT
Cryx is all about how you want to play. Some casters are stronger than others, yet each has his own niche. There are the power casters, the ones everyone use because they just command the field. The main ones are:
Epic Asphyxious (Gaspy2) Epic Deneghra (Denny2) Prime Deneghra (Denny1) Either Skarre
These guys all own the field but others have an excellent rep for throwing opponents. Warmachine armies can change drastically by changing one unit or even a solo. If you have a set idea of how you want to play, then that will help you. If you want some ranged attacks, serving The Dragonfather of Cryx is not for you. You mention Khador, they are really powerful all-rounders. High armour, ranged attacks, good magic...they have it. Cryx are dirty and more melee oriented.
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alxndrhll
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Post by alxndrhll on May 16, 2015 20:48:57 GMT
Much appreciated, nice to have a deeper insight as to what is currently going on... Obviously this isn't my first rodeo with wargames in general so I'm aware the meta shifts, but it's nice to have a rough idea of whats going on at the point you jump on the wagon. Think Khador is edging it, I like having at least some ability to put some fire down (outside of spells). Hadn't really given any of the 'Hordes' factions any consideration but Trollbloods have peeked my interest. I'm worried this is going to become a case of chasing my own tail until I pick some models up and commit to something, which is something I've always been guilty of. When first starting 40k I walk into the shop with my heart set on Necrons and ended up leaving with several boxes of Nids. Sometimes impulse has to take it's course I suppose. Decisions, decisions.
Thanks again for the detailed roundup, Alex
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Post by Ed on May 17, 2015 9:47:36 GMT
Hey Alex, great to have you aboard! I play Cryx and right now they are undergoing a bit of a transition. Where previously it was all about mass infantry and now referred to as 'Cryx Harder', with some of the recent releases the faction has more variety and has given birth to the idea of 'Cryx different'. This is all to do with Cryx being regarded as a power faction and opposition players building lists specifically to counter lots of infantry and Cryx's 'tricks'. Cryx different is great because it goes on the idea of wrong-footing players expecting the usual and presenting the opponent with a pile of warjacks, cavalry and models with more than one hit point. It's a great time to be playing cryx at the moment. Cryx are known for being a magic and melee faction mostly, but can get shooty if you want to. There are some ranged models in faction, the Leviathan, Harrower, Reaper, Defiler and Nightwretch warjacks have good guns, War witch Sirens have a magic spray, a few solos/UA's carry handcannons and then there's Pistol Wraiths... This can be supplemented by taking units/solos from the mercenary faction such as Nyss Hunters, Gorman Di Wulfe and Dougal McNaile to name the most popular for Cryx. One thing I would add before taking the financial plunge, is to come along one evening and take a look at some games in action, particularly the factions you're considering. As Paul has already mentioned there is a really good spread of factions, 3 of us play Cryx and most of us play multiple factions. iI'll sort out your request on Facebook and we'll try and sort out an intro game.
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alxndrhll
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Hi All!
May 17, 2015 10:16:58 GMT
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Post by alxndrhll on May 17, 2015 10:16:58 GMT
Again, thank you for taking the time to construct an in-depth reply. I'll definitely heed the words of wisdom and hold off on any purchases until having a look at how it all works.
For reasons unknown to myself I had disregarded all of the Hordes faction up until last night. Slammed through a few hour of looking things up and have found Trollbloods (love the aesthetic but the buff layering focus puts me off slightly) and Circle (again love the models, and the mobility trickery adding layers of complexity to prevent it getting stale) on my 'to watch list'. I want something with flexibility in terms of approach, but will always tend to favour a more infantry heavy list.
Funny how things change once you've looked into what does what.
Thanks again for the replies, will have to sort something out maybe week after next. Half term week so nothing will be able to throw a spanner in the works, ohh the joys of working in a school.
Cheers, Alex
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Post by scionofchaos on May 17, 2015 11:33:32 GMT
Well, if you want to try Circle or Trolls, I'm sure the resident Press Ganger (Alex) would be happy to accommodate you as he has both. I'm sure Ed will tell you that Hordes is a more forgiving system on the learning curve, as Fury operates slightly differently to Focus. My way of looking them is:
Focus = Resource Allocation Fury = Risk Management
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Post by Ed on May 17, 2015 11:58:31 GMT
Yep, risk/resource management is the best way to describe it. If you're leaning toward infantry, then Warmachine would suit you more than Hordes. Cryx and Retribution of Scyrah are the best suited to this as they have great and varied Infantry. Yes, the joys of working in a school are shared by me too.
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alxndrhll
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Post by alxndrhll on May 17, 2015 17:54:36 GMT
Definitely think I'm veering towards Hordes, for the reasons you've stated above. Circle seem to have the variation I'm looking for. I have no doubt I'll venture down other factions later down the line as it is anyway, it's virtually impossible not to from what I can tell. Looking forward to heading down, having a chat and hopefully picking the force for me so I can get assembling and painting!
Thanks for all the advice guys, I dread to think how irritating I've been! Cheers, Alex
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